Create 2024-08-05.md

[elf-pavlik]

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[uvdsl]

Who scribed?

[elf-pavlik]

i scribed a little bit, others assisted as well, there's also a lot missing once discussions started.

[uvdsl]

Accountability is a virtue.

[TallTed]

Scribing is very near a thankless job, and comments like this do not make it feel any better for those who receive them.

I, and I am sure others, will thank you to volunteer your scribing talents in future.

After all, volunteerism is a virtue.

[uvdsl]

@TallTed, appreciate your comment. And indeed, scribing is usually taken for granted and volunteerism is a virtue. And, I want to apologize to @elf-pavlik for that rather passive-aggressive comment of mine.

That said, stating who took the minutes is a formality with a purpose, namely to create a bit of accountability within the CG, which I see as part of the duty of a CG chair.

However on,

I, and I am sure others, will thank you to volunteer your scribing talents in future.

I am genuinely unsure how to take this statement. I did not attend the meeting on 2026-08-05, so I could not scribe. I regularly offer my service as a scribe in CG and WG meetings I attend. When chairing CG meetings myself, I do scribe often myself. I plan to keep doing that in the future (as e.g. done in #812). That's why I am left confused here. Mind to clarify what you mean, @TallTed?

[elf-pavlik]

Thank you both @TallTed and @uvdsl
And yes @uvdsl is most likely the most regular scribe, including more often than not scribing and chairing the same meeting.
To clarify this specific meeting, I was intending it as less formal since many people are taking vacation. Later in the meeting Rui brought inteersting topics so we scrambled some notes together.
I will give more attention to

• Setup AI scribe w3c-cg/solid#77

so that we always have that option on the table

[TallTed]

This was clearly meant to be two paragraphs. But Markdown requires an empty line for that.

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	> The query operation must be invoked with either the HTTP GET or HTTP POST method (or, if the SPARQL Protocol service supports such requests, the HTTP QUERY method [RFC10008]).
	> The HTTP QUERY method [RFC10008] can be used with SPARQL queries. Its use should be similar to the existing definitions and guidance for using HTTP POST with SPARQL queries with no other SPARQL-specific requirements. In the following sections, where SPARQL query requests using HTTP POST are described, HTTP QUERY may also be considered as an acceptable though not required feature of the SPARQL 1.2 Protocol.
	> The query operation must be invoked with either the HTTP GET or HTTP POST method (or, if the SPARQL Protocol service supports such requests, the HTTP QUERY method [RFC10008]).
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	> The HTTP QUERY method [RFC10008] can be used with SPARQL queries. Its use should be similar to the existing definitions and guidance for using HTTP POST with SPARQL queries with no other SPARQL-specific requirements. In the following sections, where SPARQL query requests using HTTP POST are described, HTTP QUERY may also be considered as an acceptable though not required feature of the SPARQL 1.2 Protocol.

[TallTed]

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	* RZ: There is a test suite for solid servers, I'm talking about apps. This was bourght up as well few months ago. I found there is https://www.npmjs.com/package/molid package. It is a JS package implemented by Angelo. Have anyone used it before? I'm trying to test solid apps agains something.
	* AB: What have been tested in SolidOS - ActivityStreams, the only area I've seen it.
	* ...: You can check github solidos activitystreams pane uses that test.
	* RZ: There is a test suite for Solid servers, I'm talking about apps. This was brought up as well few months ago. I found there is https://www.npmjs.com/package/molid package. It is a JS package implemented by Angelo. Has anyone used it before? I'm trying to test Solid apps against something.
	* AB: What has been tested in SolidOS — ActivityStreams, the only area I've seen it.
	* ...: You can check GitHub SolidOS — ActivityStreams pane uses that test.

[TallTed]

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	* eP: is it UI or API
	* ...: how lib developer uses that with their client?
	* RZ: For me the problem is that there are several libraries, they work but may have hidden bugs
	* ...: I've been using Soukai, I found a bug that does double patch. When I bring it up it was a problem with CSS or the interaction between them. I can only add timeouts or delays. Only because this was known, but there may be unknown behavior somewhere.
	* ...: Test is pretty much a mock solid server, it may make it easier to define where the issue is.
	* eP: Is it UI or API
	* ...: How lib developer uses that with their client?
	* RZ: For me the problem is that there are several libraries. They work but may have hidden bugs.
	* ...: I've been using Soukai; I found a bug that does double patch. When I brought it up, it was a problem with CSS or the interaction between them. I can only add timeouts or delays. Only because this was known, but there may be unknown behavior somewhere.
	* ...: Test is pretty much a mock Solid server. That may make it easier to discover where the issue is.

[TallTed]

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	* eP: https://github.com/hackers4peace/interop.space/issues/13
	* ...: We can also ask devs, like Jackson and Michal for their experience with LDO
	* JW: I have codebase called Solid SDK, I have two useful things there. create-solid-app which bootstraps dev env including configured CSS instance for local testing, also agent skills to do testing against the local server. I'm moving from using CSS to use my own server implementation Sparq. It's rust which you can port to wasm and has much better startup.
	* EB: I had student creating FUSE adater for Solid, I ported it to LWS
	* RZ: https://github.com/renyuneyun/solid-fuse
	* eP: https://github.com/hackers4peace/interop.space/issues/13
	* ...: We can also ask devs, like Jackson and Michal, for their experience with LDO.
	* JW: I have a codebase called Solid SDK; I have two useful things there. `create-solid-app` which bootstraps dev env including a configured CSS instance for local testing; also agent skills to do testing against the local server. I'm moving from using CSS to use my own server implementation, **Sparq**. It's rust which you can port to wasm, and has much better startup.
	* EB: I had a student creating a FUSE adapter for Solid. I ported it to LWS.
	* RZ: https://github.com/renyuneyun/solid-fuse

[TallTed]

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	* RZ: I recall Jesse shared some claude skills. I find that there is a link to Solid SDK https://github.com/jeswr/solid-sdk
	* ...: how is it to be used, how do i customise it?
	* JW: my motivation was - some of the skills were referencing custom packages, i moved all those packages and skills referencing them to Solid SDK. There is still AGENTS.md in the root but you should be able point your agent to it and it will discover all the skills
	* ...: If you would like to make changes just create PRs and Issues
	* RZ: It makes sense. If i want to use it I can add the skills / subfolders
	* RZ: I recall Jesse shared some claude skills. I find that there is a link to the Solid SDK — https://github.com/jeswr/solid-sdk
	* ...: How is it to be used? How do I customise it?
	* JW: My motivation was — some of the skills were referencing custom packages. I moved all those packages and skills referencing them to the Solid SDK. There is still `AGENTS.md` in the root, but you should be able point your agent to it, and it will discover all the skills.
	* ...: If you would like to make changes, just create PRs and Issues.
	* RZ: It makes sense. If I want to use it, I can add the skills/subfolders.

[TallTed]

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	* JW: https://github.com/jeswr/solid-sdk/blob/main/AGENTS.md
	* ...: Insturction for Local agent skills. It points to offline-first package. There is another sills folder solid-sd/skills There are skills for reactive-authentication and other external libs. Also type indexes etc.
	* RZ: Does it mean that I need to add solid-sdk repo as a skill?
	* JW: What I would do, I don't know the details how agents refer to skills. In my conversation I link to agents.md as url and tell agent to set iself up with those skills.
	* JW: https://github.com/jeswr/solid-sdk/blob/main/AGENTS.md
	* ...: Instruction for Local agent skills. It points to `offline-first` package. There is another skills folder, `solid-sd/skills`. There are skills for `reactive-authentication` and other external libs. Also type indexes, etc.
	* RZ: Does that mean that I need to add `solid-sdk` repo as a skill?
	* JW: What I would do, I don't know the details how agents refer to skills. In my conversation, I link to `agents.md` as url, and tell agent to set itself up with those skills.

[TallTed]

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	* RZ: If I need to personalize some of the opinionated skills, how do i do it?
	* ...: I guess I just copy content and make my modifications and use that version.
	* JW: I rarely touch skill files myself, I will in a conversation when pattern appears, I would tell LLM to update related skills to adjust it to what I expect.
	* RZ: If I need to personalize some of the opinionated skills, how do i do it?
	* ...: I guess I just copy content and make my modifications and use that version?
	* JW: I rarely touch skill files myself. In a conversation when a pattern appears, I would tell LLM to update related skills to adjust it to what I expect.

[TallTed]

I know this has already been merged. Hopefully these comments are more helpful than not, whether someone else has the time to make them into a PR or not.